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07/12/2003 Archived Entry: "I Debate Goodly"

At 10:00AM today, my dad took me over to my aunt and cousin's old house, which they are now renting out to some tenants. Why? Because it seems that their water heater was leaking. As a general rule, that would be a bad thing. Considering how my cousin's the landlady, she needed to fix the problem and so she turned to my dad for cheap labor. That's what family's for. ^_^ Anyway, we went over there and did some work. This is the um... second time... (I think) I've worked with a water heater. My dad has it in his head that I should learn more about handyman-type things; how to do things around the house. Occasionally he takes me outside or on a handyman job (he does those on occasion) so that I can learn something. I suppose it's not that bad. This stuff is actually rather informative. I think it shall be useful info. Anyway, back to the topic at hand, we had to change the water heater. [recommendation]Change your water heaters when they leak. Save yourself a lot of hassle.[/recommendation] So, we detached the old heater, went out to Home Depot to buy a new one, and came back and installed it. Good as new (yes, I realize that it is new).

The family there had the cutest three-year-old boy. ^_^ He was such the rambunctious rapscallion. He was running all about and trying to watch everything we were doing. ^_^; His father kept him at bay most of the time though, so it was all good. Haha, just to give you an example of how cute he was, I was moving the new water heater and I was going one of their cars. My dad told me to be careful and not to hit the car. At that, the boy said "if you hit the car, mommy will be mad" (translated from Vietnamese). XD That surprised me with the cleaverness of it all. But I was further surprised later. My dad and I went into the house for a while and the little boy, being playful, led me to his room. He asked me if I wanted to watch a movie. I said "alright," even though I knew I couldn't stay to watch it. With my approval, he deftly went to the menu of the DVD that was currently in the player (Homeward Bound) and he chose "begin movie." O_o When did toddlers learn how to use DVD players? I was, to say the least, surprised. I want my child to be that smart. Mental note: train the future little one....

OK, something I've noticed over the course of the last few months: people don't understand how to debate or, at the very least, argue logically. I have studied logic and rhetoric, I have participated in debates, and I have written argumentative essays. What is the first thing you learn about logic? Well, maybe after learning logical forms and such, you learn that you should attack your opponent's argument, not his character. While I figured this was easy enough to understand, it seems that others have been consistently misconstruing my thoughts; especially rants (just examples). Lets get one thing straight: I never attack anyone. What could I possibly gain from attacking others? Instead, I reason, use experience, and/or state my beliefs on a matter whenever I feel like vocalizing it. Never, ever take my comments too personally. Why? Because they aren't meant to be taken personally. If you ever feel insulted, then I'm sorry. It was never my intention. But don't take your rage and use it to make irrational arguments. I've been noticing that that happens rather often. If you disagree, feel free to tell me. However, please make sure it's a reasonable, logical, and sound argument. I am always open to criticism. Oh, and don't attack my character. I've been noticing people calling me "ignorant," "stupid," "offensive," etc. You know how unproductive that is in a real argument? Besides, I find it utterly annoying to be called such when I am speaking what I have reasoned and/or believe. I'm certain you would feel the same too if someone completely denounces something you believe strongly. Anyway, I just wanted to get that off my chest. Hopefully, after this rant, I shall recieve less crap.

Replies: 7 comments

dont' bother fixing link colors.. just make a new layout.... dizzy... Dizzy... DIZZY...

Posted by Cinti @ 07/15/2003 11:40 AM PST

Quite the point and I agree whole-heartedly. It may be wrong, but there's always that possibility with scientific theories. I just find it a reasonable assumption, so I go with it.

>If we evolved from monkeys... HOW COME THERE ARE STILL MONKEYS???

According to evolution theory, animals only evolve specific features if their environment dictates that a specialized adaptation is necessary. In the case of monkeys, I'm assuming their physique is well suited for most of their current natural habitats. Oh, and one thing, it's supposed we evolved from apes.

Posted by Tsubasa @ 07/15/2003 09:27 AM PST

I don't really believe in evolution... I mean, it could be a possibility, but creation and evolution aren't the only choices we have to pick. Plus, I don't GET evolution. If we evolved from monkeys... HOW COME THERE ARE STILL MONKEYS??? *hyperventilate*

But seriously, only a couple hundred years ago some of the most brilliant scientists in the world believed the world was flat! Sounded quite reasonable... if it was any other way, let's say ROUND, then we'd be falling. But some nutcase found out about gravity, another nutcase found Mexico, and bing bang boom, we have a whole slew of new nutcases to follow around!

Just making a point that just because it makes sense doesn't mean it's right, and just because it doesn't make sense doesn't mean it's wrong. Does this make sense? XD

Posted by Saka @ 07/15/2003 12:06 AM PST

As I don't care to address this issue in another post:

>There are a lot of things that you would openly say is stupid and idiotic to believe, such as nazism or hating gay people, for instance. Lots of people think nazism and homophobia is totally okay and actually for the better good, but lots strongly disagree. You would call these people dumb if you didn't think like them, right?

Not really. I would just chalk it up to a difference in opinion.

>But from some of your arguments, you call your agument subjects stupid, too, which is kind of called hypocrisy! You call moody, overdramatic teenagers stupid for being depressed over "nothing," and disabled people should be killed for evolution purposes (which resembles nazism, actually, and moreover evolution is not a proven fact). You can't get mad when someone calls you stupid for calling someone else stupid, "with reason."

You got me there. I have called some of my subjects "stupid" and such. Unfortunately, I have slips of the tongue on occasion and allow emotions to taint my reasoning. It's a natural human tendency. Of course, one has to remember that these are my informal opinion pieces, so I don't scruitinize them as I do an essay. But yeah, I suppose sometimes I really shouldn't be so annoyed.

Oh yeah, and I don't believe diabled people should be killed. I think they should be left to die. There's a difference. And about the fact that evolution is not a proven fact, you are correct. However, it is a very reasonable assumption considering what scientists have observed about adaptation in nature.

>So yeah, that's my two cents. And again, your link colors are giving me seizures.

Yeah, I intend to change those. They're kinda annoying me too. ^_^;

Posted by Tsubasa @ 07/14/2003 03:19 PM PST

There are a lot of things that you would openly say is stupid and idiotic to believe, such as nazism or hating gay people, for instance. Lots of people think nazism and homophobia is totally okay and actually for the better good, but lots strongly disagree. You would call these people dumb if you didn't think like them, right?

I happen to think that there's nothing wrong about moody teenagers, self-awareness, and disabled people, but you do. That's okay though; you're free to your own opinion, and argumentively I'm free to ignore them. Vice versa for you.

But from some of your arguments, you call your agument subjects stupid, too, which is kind of called hypocrisy! You call moody, overdramatic teenagers stupid for being depressed over "nothing," and disabled people should be killed for evolution purposes (which resembles nazism, actually, and moreover evolution is not a proven fact). You can't get mad when someone calls you stupid for calling someone else stupid, "with reason."

So yeah, that's my two cents. And again, your link colors are giving me seizures.

Posted by Saka @ 07/14/2003 12:44 PM PST

Gah! Sorry I didn't comment for such a long time! Wow!!! Kos-mos layout^^ i love kos-mos, she's cool...

Posted by Sal @ 07/13/2003 10:27 PM PST

heh smart kid........ i want one too hahaha

Posted by Anthony Ng @ 07/13/2003 09:02 AM PST

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